KCTS 9 Connects/Sikh Temple Shooting - August 10, 2012
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- Sukvir Singh Transcript
- Marvin Hamlisch Transcript
Producer's Notes
Why? Once again we're left with that question as a gunman kills six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.
According to news reports Wade Michael Page walked into the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee on Sunday and opened fire. He was armed with a 9mm handgun and multiple magazines of ammunition. The victims ranged in age from 39 to 84. Three other were critically wounded.
Back to the question of why? There are reports that Page was a white supremacist. The FBI has classified the shooting as "domestic terrorism." It may take days to find out the true motive. What we do know is that Sikh Americans have been the victims of senseless hate crimes. One of those crimes happened in Seattle in the fall of 2007. The target was a cab driver named Sukhvir Singh who survived an assault by an intoxicated passenger who called him an "Iraqi terrorist." I reported this story on KCTS 9 Connects.
In the aftermath of the Wisconsin shooting, we have posted the story for you to view. For me, what was most remarkable about this story was the decision by the victim Sukhvir Singh to forgive his attacker Luis Vasquez. His decision to do so reflects what most Sikhs are all about: they belief in peace and community.
Along with the story, we're also posting information from the Seattle Times about Sikhs. We'll have more about the Wisconsin shooting and its impact locally on this week's edition of KCTS 9 Connects.
Enrique Cerna, Executive Producer
Vigil and Prayers
Hundreds of local Sikhs and other community members, interfaith leaders, and law enforcement officials will gather Saturday for a vigil honoring the victims of the Wisconsin shooting that left six congregants dead and three others wounded. The program will be an opportunity for the general public to show their support for the families of the victims, to get to know the Sikhs in our community, and learn about the practices and beliefs of Sikhs worldwide. Download the flyer (PDF)
Sikhs at a Glance
Size: World's fifth-largest religion with about 27 million adherents; national and state estimates vary, from about 80,000 to 500,000 followers in the U.S. and from 15,000 to 50,000 in Washington. Locally, most Sikhs live in Renton and Kent with concentrations also in Seattle, Bellevue, Marysville, Bellingham and Spokane.
Structure: Sikhism was founded by Guru Nanak, born in 1469 in the Punjab region of India and believed by followers to be divinely inspired. Nine gurus — or spiritual guides — followed him. There is no hierarchy and no institutional priesthood, but scholars in India occasionally give guidance on religious questions. There are also spiritual teachers who travel from congregation to congregation.
Core beliefs and practices: Sikhs believe in one creator, God, that God can be found within each person, and that God's will can be discerned through meditation and mantras. Sikhs are expected to say five prayers daily and to meditate. They have no weekly holy day, though they may meet weekly for services in someone's home, a rented hall or a gurudwara — a house of worship. Sikhs emphasize community and are taught to live honestly and truthfully and to share what they earn with the larger community.
Turbans and other symbols of faith: Sikhs do not cut their hair, believing that hair in a natural state is in harmony with God's will. Men are expected to wear turbans, considered a symbol of dedication, self-respect and piety and worn out of love and obedience to the faith's founders. Women have the option of wearing a head covering. Sikhs also often wear a comb in their hair and a steel wrist bangle.
Source: Seattle Times archives
Enrique Cerna:
one down and one to
go with the primary election
over, we now know the candidates
that will be facing each other
in the November general
election.
Who were the winners, who were
the losers?
And any big surprises?
Our insiders roundtable joins me
to dissect the results of our
primary.
Joining me Cathy Allen and Bruce
Boram.
Also Joel Connelly, columnist
for SeattlePI.com
We now know there are a few
races out there we don't know
for sure but for the most part
we know the bigger picture.
Any big surprises for you folks.
Cathy Allen:
Supreme court race, I think
taking a look at having Cheryl
Mccloud I think is absolutely the
big surprise.
She would tip the balance back
to the five women and four guys
on the supreme court.
I thought that was a big
surprise.
Enrique Cerna:
How about you, Bruce?
Bruce Boram:
I was surprised the
Republican running against
Reagan Dunn almost got 10%.
But it goes to reagan took that
position on supporting gay
marriage and it was a protest
vote for a lot of people but is
what surprised.
Joel Connelly:
I was surprised to see the
tea party advocate clint didier
running for commissioner, got
the U.S. Out of the u.n. And
u.n. Out of the u is, got the
vote.
Enrique Cerna:
He didn't do badly.
But let's run through the
numbers and let's start with the
U.S. Senate race.
Maria Cantwell had an easy time
in the primary.
55% To 30% for Michael
Baumgardtner.
Reported today by Public Cola
that Cantwell even won his
district.
Joel Connelly:
That was reported two hours
earlier that she carried Spokane
County.
Bruce Boram:
Michael is a good candidate.
This is a reach for him.
A very ambitious thing to run
for U.S. Senate.
He has a great resume, a very
talented guy.
But this is probably a hill 3
that's too steep for him to
climb.
But he's a great candidate.
Enrique Cerna:
Let's move on to the
governor's race, everybody
watching this one across the
country.
Jay Inslee beats Rob McKenna
46-43%.
That is statewide.
But, if you look at King County,
this time around at least in the
primary, we look at the numbers
there, Jay Inslee, 59%, 35% for
McKenna.
And for McKenna to win this
race, he's going to have to do
better in King County.
Joel Connelly:
He certainly is.
And has been courting it and
courting it.
But the gubernatorial race has
gone like the football season.
Notre Dame would go pouring down
the field and commit an unforced
error right near the opponent's
goal line and there are two,
maybe three unforced errors by
the McKenna campaign which
caused the King County vote to
come home to the Democrats at
the last minute.
He still has to make that break
through on which he worked for
nearly a year but did not
happen.
Cathy Allen:
I thought that we do see
usually more people turning out
that are Democrats in the
primary.
We do see that.
The other thing I thought was
that when you take a look at all
of the people who voted for d
and all who voted for r you have
50/50.
That's what I thought was
interesting.
Boy, with having tea party
candidates for governor, McKenna 4
had competition that we didn't
necessarily have.
We only had one competitor and
got 1%.
But total was 50/50.
Enrique Cerna:
How do you see it.
Bruce Boram:
He needs to do better in King
County.
He needs to do better in
Snohomish.
He should win it and he should
win Pierce.
He did not as well in Snohomish
because of what we saw in the
first and we saw higher
Democratic turn out because of that.
So basically, again, he needs to do
better in King and can and will
do better in Snohomish and he needs to
win Pierce.
Enrique Cerna:
Let's move on to the
congressional races. Of course,
a lot of focus on the first
congressional district.
A lot of Democratic candidates
there.
Susan DelBene managed to pull it
out on the Democratic side.
23% Of the vote.
Koster did well.
This is still going to be a
tight race because you take all
the percentages of the other --
of the Democrats, particularly
Darcy Burner who is part of
this.
She got about 15%.
She did respectfully in all of
this.
Didn't win.
But you know, this is going to
be a race.
Cathy Allen:
Rudeman was 10%.
Democrats out-polled Koster's
numbers.
But they put $3 million into it.
We had $3 million worth of folks
saying come on, vote Democrat.
We did well.
But as many will say that Koster
is too conservative for this
district.
People look at DelBene and she
she's the moderate in the race.
Joel Connelly:
Koster is very much at home
mom the conservatives of
northwest Washington who are a
big chunk of the
Electorate but not the majority.
He needs to go south young man.
Cathy Allen:
That's a vision.
Seeing him walk in to the tech
crowd.
That's a vision.
Bruce Boram:
This race is about money.
Right now he has 100,000 on
hand.
Koster has the same amount of
money as DelBene?
Then he wins.
Right now that's a question
mark.
If supporters don't step up
he'll lose.
DelBene will out spend him and
win.
Joel Connelly:
The Democratic party has a
bunch of air time booked to try
to make him look like Genghis
Khan.
Bruce Boram:
But, if he raises the money,
he wins.
Enrique Cerna:
But will the Democratic
national party come in here.
Bruce Boram:
As it works for campaigns as
we know, if the campaign
performs, that money is matched
by the RNCC or DRC.
So those offices caucus
campaign committees are making
decisions whether they can
invest.
Enrique Cerna:
Let's move on here some of
the other congressional races.
6th congressional race.
Norm Dicks's race, he's
retiring, Kilmer did well here.
He's a young up and coming guy
out of the legislature.
Bill Driscoll is the Democrat.
He does have money but that's
the main thing.
I don't know.
Cathy Allen:
This is Norm Dicks's
district.
This is a swing to solid democrat
district.
In addition you have a young
bright guy up against somebody
who is a great contrast in terms
of older background,
Weyerhaeuser, so on.
In this case, I would be very
surprised if anything he could
do but get Derek elected.
Bruce Boram:
I think the district is
winnable by a Republican.
I think if you really work the
peninsula and blue collar areas
of the district, I think this is
going to be a difficult one to
win, though.
Joel Connelly:
Kilmer is the new star.
Republicans made a big deal out
of putting Driscoll on their
list of young guns but he didn't
shoot very straight in the
primary.
Enrique Cerna:
To the 10th, Heck is the
Democrat here.
He did well.
39%.
Been running against Dick Murray
who is the Republican here.
27%.
This seemed to be closer to me
than I guess what I would expect.
Bruce Boram:
Well, Dick is really well
known in the northern part of
the district.
He's done the Pierce County
council for quite a while.
He was on the Lakewood school
district for quite a well.
He's grassroots and loved by
everybody.
So not surprising he did well.
Cathy Allen:
Except most of the voters are
in the southern part of the
county.
Bruce Boram:
Unfortunately, this is again
a money game.
Dicks has had a very difficult
time raising money.
Heck has bought one hundred
thousand worth of pratt in the
Seattle media market.
Dick only raised 20,000.
Cathy Allen:
This is another one, you see
Norm Dick has come, you say all
right, game up.
Enrique Cerna:
Attorney general race, we
know in the debate these guys
have clashed quite a bit.
Bob Ferguson, the Democrat, did
well.
51%.
Reagan Dunn didn't show probably
as well as I think most people
expected.
Does he have -- is this going to
be a tough race for him?
Joel Connelly:
Nobody outworks Bob Ferguson
in any campaign any time any
place.
Bruce Boram:
Yes, Bob works very, very
hard but I think Reagan is
underperforming in the
fundraising, I'm talking about
way too much money this week.
But it happens to be very
important.
But Reagan has the ability to
raise money and he can outraise
Bob and he needs to do that.
Enrique Cerna:
Let's move on to the
secretary of state race.
31%, 21%, Kim Wyman is the
Republican there.
Kathleen Drew, I don't know.
Could this be a close race.
Cathy Allen:
It could be.
I don't think it will be.
People are looking at Kathleen Drew, who
has been managing to get around the state
while Kim has been trying to
collect votes in Thurston County.
I think we had almost 58% voted
Democrat in the primary.
And she beat Greg Nichols, no
small deal here.
I think Drew has the edge on
this one.
I'm happy to see two women
though in the race.
Joel Connelly:
The choice of two very good
people.
Something I'm going to enjoy
being an undecided voter until
the point where I make up my
ballot.
Enrique Cerna:
Lieutenant governor race,
Brad Owen, the Democrat, coasted
here in the primary.
Bill Finkbeiner is going to have
quite a bit of ground to make up
here.
Let's move to the state supreme
court.
This is interesting.
We have with votes still needing
to be counted, a very close race
here and Cheryl Gordon McCloud
who is Seattle University
professor and then Richard
Sanders, one time court member,
Bruce Hilliard, King County
court guy. Do you think Hilliard has an opportunity
to make it up?
Joel Connelly:
I think there are tomorrow
votes outside of King County to
count.
Unlike the next person we're
going to talk about.
Judge Gonzalez, Hilliard did not
get out around the state enough.
You cannot hide behind lawyers
and judges when you run for the
supreme court.
People have come to defeat that
way.
Enrique Cerna:
Let's look at the supreme
court race, Gonzalez did win
against a candidate who was
really nonexistent but we have
such a short amount of time
here.
It's unfortunate there's a lot
of focus here on the fact that
maybe Steve Gonzalez' last name
didn't help him.
It didn't help in the eastern
part of the state.
Bruce Boram:
It did remind me of Charles
Johnson from 1990.
The fact that people don't
understand these races was
definitely a factor.
Cathy Allen:
I was going to say final wrap
here is when you look at this,
we don't know anybody, you go
for the name, you think is most
like yours or you vote for the
woman which happened in both
these cases in terms of McCloud
and Gonzalez.
Enrique Cerna:
Gonzalez has six years to
make a record and get his name
out there.
But it raises questions about
the latino community and where
political clout or lack of or
even though we have numbers to
get out there and try to get
some involvement in this
political process.
Joel Connelly:
Still you worked it and he
won it.
Cathy Allen:
It was a good showing,
actually.
Enrique Cerna:
Let's leave it there.
It's been interesting.
All right, have a good weekend.
Cathy Allen:
Thank you.
Enrique Cerna:
On saturday night, Seattle
area Sikhs hold a vigil to
honor the victims of the
Wisconsin shooting.
Six members were killed in the
mass shooting, and authorities say
the gunman, Wade Page, an army veteran who has been
described as a white supremacist,
died from a self-inflicted
wound.
Why he went on a shooting
rampage may never be shown.
Hate crimes increased as they
were mistaken from being Muslim.
in 2008 I reported on a hate
crimes against a Seattle area
cab driver.
His story is still timely not
only was of the Wisconsin
shooting but because of his
ability to forgive the person
who viciously attacked him in what
it says about Sikhs and their
community.
Six days a week. Six and sometimes 10 hours a day, Singh works as a cab driver traveling the roadways of King County.
Sukvir Singh:
Every single customer is a
VIP to me.
Enrique Cerna:
But on the evening of
November 24th, his good
intentions were overwhelmed by
an act of hate.
Around 8:00 he picks up a fare
at Husky Stadium where the annual
Apple Cup game is being played.
His passenger, 21 year Luis
Vasquez, is denied entry to
the stadium because he's
intoxicated.
The driver takes him to his home
in Federal Way.
Suddenly he starts yelling at the
driver, calling him an Iraqi
terrorist and threatening to
kill him.
This video inside the cap
captures Vasquez as he attacks,
punching, biting and choking the
driver.
Yanking out his turban and
pulling out clumps of hair.
Motorists observed the attack
and called 911.
Caller:
There's fight in the freeway.
Another guy stomping on his
head.
Sukvir Singh:
It was dangerous to me, but
it was more dangerous to the
other cars coming nearby.
Enrique Cerna:
He managed to bring the car
to a stop but Vasquez continues
the assault outside the vehicle.
Sukvir Singh:
Yes, sir.
Enrique Cerna:
Police rushed to the scene
where they subdue and arrest
Vasquez.
Sukvir suffers a concussion,
cuts and bruises, his kidneys
are injured and start to shut
down.
His recovery takes several
months but in the midst of all
this, he talks of forgiving his
attacker.
Sukvir Singh:
We should find that way,
which way we can solve the
problem and give some lessons to
those persons who are on the
wrong part.
Enrique Cerna:
Luis Vasquez is charged with
malicious harassment, a hate
crime.
He pleads guilty to the charge
along with second degree
assault and reckless
endangerment.
They want him locked up for two
years.
But the driver wants something
else.
Sukvir Singh:
I don't want to ruin his
whole life.
Enrique Cerna:
He writes a letter to the
King County superior court judge
handling the case, he asks for
leniency in the sentencing of
Luis Vasquez.
Judge:
In our community hatred
flourishes.
Enrique Cerna:
On April 18th in a crowded
King County courtroom he again
faces Vasquez. This time Vasquez,
who says he was so drunk he
doesn't remember the assault, is
sober, somber and apologetic.
Luis Vasquez:
If there was a way I could
take it all back, I would.
But there isn't unfortunately,
and I'm sorry for making you
have to look back over your
shoulder every time you walk.
Enrique Cerna:
In court, Sukvir again makes
a request for leniency and the
judge listens.
Vasquez is sentenced to 9 months
in work release plus 240 hours
of community service.
Judge:
It is unfortunate truly, that
you do not recall this event.
Because he will never forget it.
Enrique Cerna:
So to understand why
Sukhvir Singh is able to
forgive, it's important to get
an understanding of his faith,
culture and journey too.
Sukhvir Singh is Sikh.
Sikhvism is the 5th largest
world religion with 23 million
followers.
It's estimated that 10,000 Sikhs
live in the Seattle area most
with roots in the northwest
region of India.
Hardeep Rhekki:
They've come to the country
for the last 30-40-50 years
because of opportunities.
Enrique Cerna:
Sukhvir came to the U.S. 10
years ago.
In India because he was Sikh, he
endured prejudice and
persecution, he set his sights
on coming to America and was
eventually granted asylum here.
Hardeep Rhekki:
He'll tell you this, for him
it's heaven.
Sukvir Singh:
In my belief, the U.S. is the
best best place in the whole
planet.
That is the reason I come here.
Enrique Cerna:
And for Sukhvir what endears
him to this country even more is
having the freedom to practice
his religion.
Sukvir Singh:
That's my belief.
Because I trust in God.
Enrique Cerna:
Sikhs believe that all people
are equal.
They value community service and
helping the needy.
They welcome visitors to their
place of worship that also
serves as a community center and
where they gladly share their
food.
It's those values that gave
Sukhvir the power to forgive Luis
Vasquez.
It's a troubling fact that
since 9/11 Sikhs have been the
target of hate crimes in the
U.S. Most of the attacks have
been motivated by their
appearance.
Sikh men wear turbans that cover
part of their hair that they
don't cut, nor do they shave
their beards.
And because of their appearance
they've been wrongly associated
with terrorists.
That ignorance has lead to
senseless atacks and murders.
Hardeep Rhekki:
It reminds you that I can be
targeted just because of the way
I look.
This is hate happening
right under our noses.
And they say we want to make
sure that people understand this
is happening and that we as a
community don't accept it, I
think that that's the way you
fight this.
Enrique Cerna:
Sukhvir Singh admits this
attack has left him and others
in the Sikh community weary and
fearful that it could happen
again.
Still he has no regrets that he
has leniency for his attacker.
That, he says, is what
forgiveness is all about.
Hardeep Rhekki:
This was a scenario where we
didn't allow it to isolate us.
And Sukhvir didn't want it to
isolate us, he said this is an
opportunity for us to reach out.
Enrique Cerna:
Joining me now is
Jasmit Singh who organized
the vigil.
First of all, how is Sukhvir
doing.
Jasmit Singh:
He's doing well.
He's had challenges in the past
but as the wonderful human being
that he is, he's coping with
everything in his life and you
know, being part of the
community.
Enrique Cerna:
You and others met
this morning with the FBI to
talk about the incident in
Wisconsin.
I guess also to maybe allay any
concerns the community might
have.
Tell me more about that meeting.
Jasmit Singh:
Absolutely.
You know, one of the things that
is very trying at this time is
-- for the community as such is
they don't know what to do about
it.
Obviously, this was something
that, you know, a lone person at
least of now acted out of hate.
Out of ignorance
against a people.
But people don't know how to
react to that incident.
But I think having that FBI and
other law enforcement officers
come to the worship place, come
to the community leadership and
sort of reassure them saying
that hey, we don't know of any
threats against the Sikh
community that are organized.
And we want you to know that
we're all here, you know, as
public officials to support you.
Enrique Cerna:
How is the community
coping with all of this?
Jasmit Singh:
It's a mixed bag.
You know? Definitely, there are
some raw emotions in terms of
being, you know, some of the
people feeling that you know, so
long after 9/11, these things
still keep on happening with
that context, and they don't
know how to deal with it, right?
There's definitely the problem of
how do you explain it to the
children that the Sikh identity
of having this, that, or the
turban on the head or having
unshorn hair is being targeted
for no rhyme or reason.
Any innocent person no matter
what community they belong to
could be targeted.
So the community is trying to
make sense out of this.
I think on the positive side,
they're rallying together.
One of the principles of Sikh is
you accept what has happened and
then you live high.
Right?
Stand up for what you believe
in.
And I think that's
the emotion that I see coming
out of most of the community.
Enrique Cerna:
Tell me about a
woman and her young child that
came to the place of worship.
Jasmit Singh:
So it was really something
that I really felt emotionally
about.
A woman brought her two
children.
They stopped by yesterday.
Washington and Renton.
And they had tears in their
eyes.
The lady brought flowers along
with her.
She said, "I'm really sorry this
happened to the community
and I want you to know there are
a lot of people like me who
believe that this kind of
directed hate is completely
unacceptable."
And you know, she hugged the
other teachers who were there.
We're having a camp for the
kids.
So -- and the kids kind of mixed
up with the kids who were
playing out there.
It was just a very poignant
moment for us because we
recognized the essential values
that we have as a nation are
intact.
And that gives us the strength
to say yes, we can move on.
You know? And we can move on
with strength.
And not with bitterness but with
compassion in our hearts.
Enrique Cerna:
The vigil at the
place of worship, this is really
not only for the community but
it's for anybody.
To come out to try to understand
what the Sikh community, the
religion, the culture, the
community is all about.
Jasmit Singh:
Absolutely.
So the aim is 2-fold.
One is definitely to reach out
to everyone and say who the Sikhs are.
This is who the community is.
This is how long we've been
here.
You know, not too many people
understand the Sikhs have been
here for 100 years.
They came in the early 1900s and
they serve in all different
professions.
All different walks of life.
And the other aspect is really
to bring healing to the
community itself.
The broader community.
So that we can come, they can
express their grief.
They can also express that they
stand in solidarity with our
community and with all the other
communities that might have been
targets of hate.
So that's the focus.
Enrique Cerna:
How have you
personally handled someone that
may have come up to you and
challenged you about how you
look, who you are, where you're
from?
Jasmit Singh:
In most cases it is coming
out of ignorance.
Where people really don't know
who I am.
So the first and the foremost
thing is because of the media
images of men with turbans or
perceived
others, whoever that might be in
history.
So that's the first thing.
So typically, you meet two kinds
of people.
One set of people who absolutely
are coming from trying to
understand.
Right?
And want to express their
opinion, thinking -- having a
view about who you are as a
people.
So those are the people that you
really would love to have that
dialogue with.
You sit down with them and in
most cases you end up being
friends.
There's others no matter what
you say, it's lost.
And you accept that with all the
graciousness that you know, God
gives you.
Enrique Cerna:
Again, the Seattle area Sikh
community will hold a
candlelight vigil saturday night
beginning at 7:30 at the place
of worship in Renton.
Enrique Cerna:
This week the music
world lost an icon,
award-winning composer and
conductor Marvin Hamlisch died
in Los Angeles.
He spent a lot of time working
here in Seattle as a guest
conductor with the Seattle
Symphony. In 2009 I interviewed
him for an episode of
"Conversations" and he talked
about the joy of conducting and
our unpredictable Seattle
weather.
Marvin Hamlisch:
It's a great feeling to go
boom and have people actually
follow you.
Oh, my gosh, this is actually
working, you know?
I enjoy this orchestra very
much.
I love Seattle. I hope people
realize what a great town
they're living in.
It's just fantastic.
Enrique Cerna:
We really do.
Marvin Hamlisch:
Oh, yeah, you have the most
interesting weather.
You put on a coat -- I'm on the
10th floor of the hotel.
You look out and go oh, my gosh,
it's raining, so you put on a
coat on the 10th floor and
by the time you get to the first
floor, you check the coat.
Enrique Cerna:
It's all layers
here.
Wear the parka but something
else underneath that.
You need somebody to walk behind
you to handle all your clothing.
Marvin Hamlisch:
That's why PBS is so great.
You learn these things, what do
you learn on a regular station?
Only nothing.
Enrique Cerna:
What did you learn?
Marvin Hamlisch:
Layers.
Enrique Cerna:
All right.
You got it.
All right Marv was fun, and
friendly.
He'll be missed.


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